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WoW: Lets do this right.
November 6th 2004, 01:25 CET by Matt Perkins

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#29 by LordDrucifer
2004-11-06 12:27:10
Yasta11@hotmail.com
ahhhh.... bust a move is such a wonderful game....

....great memories.

UAcomic.com
It's like that all male flinestone episode where Barney fucks the shower.
#30 by Gunp01nt
2004-11-06 14:29:32
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Played some of Halo 2 last night (omg warez i sukk) and one thing that struck me about it was that it was Halo. And I mean Halo. Exactly the same gameplay, enemies, weapons, with prettier graphics and this time the locations are different. Definitely some cool moments and nice visuals, but with all the flaws of Halo in there. For instance the times where you run into a number of bad guys that take you over 20 retries to get past without dying, are still present.

The suit recharges a lot faster though, which is nice. Also, the ability to dual-wield two weapons at the same time. And Bungie has made sure Halo 2 is a much more cinematic experience.

I've had a few dreams where Danny Glover has made a cameo appearance -always in the oddest capacities. Like, for instance, the other night Elvis Costello, Danny Glover, and my best friend from childhood were holding a jam session on an apartment building fire escape. Odd.
 -PenguinX
#31 by Gunp01nt
2004-11-06 14:29:52
supersimon33@hotmail.com
I don't think I've really spoiled any plot points or anything in that post.

I've had a few dreams where Danny Glover has made a cameo appearance -always in the oddest capacities. Like, for instance, the other night Elvis Costello, Danny Glover, and my best friend from childhood were holding a jam session on an apartment building fire escape. Odd.
 -PenguinX
#32 by Anonymous
2004-11-06 14:46:14
Halo = OVERRATED = Halo 2 ...no spoiler for me.

#33 by Caryn
2004-11-06 16:14:41
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Loved loved LOVED The Incredibles. My husband and I want to go see it again. And I hated the short before the movie. My favorite pre-Pixar-movie short is the birds on the wire.

Spiritual life can be regarded as a course of gradual recovery from the addiction to the peculiar type of awareness that splits everything into subject and object. - George Feuerstein
#34 by BobJustBob
2004-11-06 17:25:29
And Bungie has made sure Halo 2 is a much more cinematic experience.


Cinematic = bad.

Dood.
#35 by Hugin
2004-11-06 17:55:01
lmccain@nber.org
Yeah, I agree with Caryn, the short before Incredibles (have you gone to see it yet?  It's awesome.  Go! Shoo!) "Boundin" was weak.  I didn't hate it, it had a few cute moments, but definitely not the best of the Pixar shorts.  I plan to see Incredibles with another group of friends this afternoon.
#36 by jjohnsen
2004-11-06 18:00:24
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I voted yes in hopes that I'd try out WoW. Then I remembered the longest I've ever played a PIG for is 3 weeks (CoH). I couldn't even be bothered to use up my first free month with any of 'em.

Agreed.  COH has been my favorite so far, but even then I only played for 1.5 months.  Too much work for so little return.

Played some of Halo 2 last night (omg warez i sukk) and one thing that struck me about it was that it was Halo. And I mean Halo. Exactly the same gameplay, enemies, weapons, with prettier graphics and this time the locations are different.

You might mean this as a negative, but I'm taking it as a positive.

i ain't got no love for the east cost
but i do love eatin butter with my toast
-DKI(ID
#37 by jjohnsen
2004-11-06 18:00:34
http://www.johnsenclan.com
damn

i ain't got no love for the east cost
but i do love eatin butter with my toast
-DKI(ID
#38 by Jibble
2004-11-06 18:14:22
#23 BobJustBob
I also saw Incredibles tonight. Great movie.

Little tip though: don't bother staying through the credits for the "outtakes" -- there aren't any.

OMG SPOILARZ!

#39 by Jibble
2004-11-06 18:15:07
#25 Hugin
I concur about Incredibles.  Brad Bird+ Pixar= Love.    My favorite Pixar thus far.  Highly recommended. There was one character who I wish was in it a wee bit more, but other than that, love.

Sammy L, I presume?  He was awesome and could have used more screen time.

#40 by Jibble
2004-11-06 18:21:07
Green Peppercorn!

#41 by Jibble
2004-11-06 18:22:47
For bored crappers, you can play it like that thing in the Sunday paper where you try and figure out what's different between the two scenes.

#42 by eggbert
2004-11-06 18:26:19
http://www.stuffresearch.com
OMG SPOILARZ!

That's not a spoiler, that's a public service. There's nothing to make you feel more stupid then when you tell your friends "wait! There's outtakes!", and you sit there half in and out of your chairs watching names scroll by, and no outtakes appear.
#43 by Hugin
2004-11-06 18:28:42
lmccain@nber.org
The closing credits for Incredibles are well done, I found them interesting enough to sit through without "outtakes".  But I'm one of those people who watches the credits anyway.
#44 by Sgt Hulka
2004-11-06 18:36:37
Now I know what to get Hugin for Christmas this year. The Outtakes Gone Wild! DVD!!!

Children are the future. Thatís why they must be stopped today.
#45 by yotsuya
2004-11-06 18:38:21
Nice, Jib.

"By the pricking of my thumbs,
something wicked this way comes"
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#46 by yotsuya
2004-11-06 18:39:17
#44

Either that, or you give him a copy of Doomed! the DVD that he can .ISO for us.

"By the pricking of my thumbs,
something wicked this way comes"
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#47 by Sgt Hulka
2004-11-06 18:40:03
Jibble, me thinks you may have a future with Paige Davis and the gang on TLC.

Children are the future. Thatís why they must be stopped today.
#48 by BobJustBob
2004-11-06 18:53:38
Yeah, Jibble, after all that shit about spoilers, and me seeing it on opening night, I still got spoiled. This goddamn fucking kid, less than 10, was sitting right in front of me and yells out "That's the villian!" the first time he appears.

Dood.
#49 by McBain
2004-11-06 19:01:05
Bob-  It's because God doesn't love you.

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"The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had."
#50 by yotsuya
2004-11-06 19:37:46
Just a friendly reminder that if you want to take part in the PC NBA league, contact jjohnsen ASAP. We're drafting tomorrow!

"By the pricking of my thumbs,
something wicked this way comes"
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#51 by jjohnsen
2004-11-06 20:54:15
http://www.johnsenclan.com
We only have two people interested Yot, I think we may have to cancel.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP
#52 by Matt Perkins
2004-11-06 22:19:10
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I echo the Incredibles comments.  Beautiful in everyway.

"She told me to tell you to quit being such an anal-retentive pussy."- Ergo
#53 by lwf
2004-11-06 23:27:46
jjohnsen sucks at quoting, ha

It's a great place to meet girls!
#54 by UncleJeet
2004-11-07 01:40:55
So is anybody playing WoW as the topic suggests, but the subsequent posts do not?

no, No, NO!
#55 by BobJustBob
2004-11-07 01:47:08
MMORPGs suck. Like your wife.

Dood.
#56 by Sgt Hulka
2004-11-07 01:48:17
My Mom won't let me play MMORPG's, she says they'll make me gay.

Children are the future. Thatís why they must be stopped today.
#57 by Matt Perkins
2004-11-07 01:57:23
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Those that are playing Wow, don't bother to post about it.  It's that good.

"She told me to tell you to quit being such an anal-retentive pussy."- Ergo
#58 by hangedmanAG
2004-11-07 02:05:45
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
I saw the Incredibles and liked it (and I guess I'm the only person that liked the 'Boundin' short) though there were somethings I was a little uncomfortable with (it was a little too Ann Rayndian at times for my taste).  

Pixar is still batting 1.000

S'right
#59 by Matt Perkins
2004-11-07 02:07:10
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
(it was a little too Ann Rayndian at times for my taste).  

I haven't read any Ann Rayn in a while, give me examples.

"She told me to tell you to quit being such an anal-retentive pussy."- Ergo
#60 by Dethstryk
2004-11-07 02:54:41
jemartin@tcainternet.com
Ayn Rand.
#61 by Hugin
2004-11-07 03:04:08
lmccain@nber.org
Jeet, I'm still messing with WoW a bit.  Turning into a bear is fun.  I got off of the initial Night Elf island.  But I'm already kind of not very interested in the next land area, I think I'm going to hop on a ship and skip it.  I really with the minimap were better.  I waste a goodly bit of time finding things that there's no reason not to just mark on the map.  Alternatively, I'd be willing to buy a map in-game, a sort of "Welcome to the new town" guide sort of thing.
#62 by hangedmanAG
2004-11-07 04:04:42
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
Matt, (**some spoilers**)

The Invincibles almost comes off as an animated version of The Fountainhead, where the brilliant talents of the protaganist are hindered by "the hostility of second-hand souls".  The Invincibles are greater people forced into living the lives of ordinary citizens.  Mr Incredible, at one point, sighs, "They keep finding new ways to celebrate mediocrity."

Also, the Villain (born unextrodinary and must create artificial things to make him seem better than he is) has an evil plan to give superpowers to everybody in the world saying that we everybody becomes special, nobody will be.  The idea of leveling the playing field being the greatest sin echoes Rand's many attacks on Communism's attempt to do the same.

The movie, like Rand, argues that the worst thing the world can do is hinder the extrodinary and the anti-elitist in me bristles a bit at that.

S'right
#63 by McBain
2004-11-07 04:25:41
hangedman-  I thought about that, too.  I don't really have a problem with it, especially since the movie is meant to exist within the closed context of comic book genre conventions.  I didn't see it meant as allegory so it didn't bother me.

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"The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had."
#64 by Hugin
2004-11-07 04:37:10
lmccain@nber.org
Yeah.  Unlike say, Hero, the undercurrents in The Incredibles didn't bug me so much, because that fascist uberman vibe is fairly inevitable in superhero comics.  In more recent work it's often been transmuted into somewhat more palatable themes related to the acceptance of diversity, the whole "mutant powers as homosexuality" thing seen in X-Men 2 for example.  And here, it's mixed in with a fairly typical (for all that it's well done) commentary on the disappointment of middle aged family obligation, the soullessness of suburban and corporate life, etc.
#65 by phyrephox
2004-11-07 04:50:07
dkasman@gmail.com http://www.d-kaz.com
Hugin,

As a serious movie watcher I'm just glad someone like you is able to pick up on fascist undertones to a film like The Incredibles, however innocuous it is.  Hopefully there are many people like you who look at conventional entertainment from an ideological angle.

That being said, I think looking at the film's vibe as "fascist" is a subtle misinterpretation of the film's themes in reference to the intended audience.  To me, the film is trying to promote self-awareness of one's own strengths and weaknesses and the image one gives to others by properly recognizing (or not) these characteristics.  Within the context of the film, self-recognition means imbracing superhuman powers, but I see that just as the film's entertainment reference point and not the overt thematic fascism of Hero.

Personally I was glad the film avoided both the superpower as "you are special" themes as well as the simple, but commendable political messages of the X-Men films.
#66 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-11-07 05:02:08
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
#65 by phyrephox

As a serious movie watcher I'm just glad someone like you is able to pick up on fascist undertones


Do you mean someone who posts on PlanetCrap, or someone black?

Rot-corpse Sumatran art amuses proctor.
#67 by lwf
2004-11-07 05:13:29
A serious movie watcher?

I consider myself a serious masturbater but you don't see me bragging on PC about it. That's Joker's job. This guy is the Joker of watching movies.

It's a great place to meet girls!
#68 by Hugin
2004-11-07 05:14:11
lmccain@nber.org
Phyre, I don't think The Incredibles was fascist so much as the superhero comic genre in general has a thread of it running through it. I don't worry about it very much, because the genre mostly leavens it with a counterbalancing  high value placed on the quality of human-ness, almost every mainstream superhero longs (at least on occasion) for the opportunity to be conventionally human even as the circumstances of their lives celebrate their superiority, as opposed to Rand, who I feel is tainted with fairly disgusting levels of selfishness.  I also think Incredibles has enough depth to say a few different things at once, for example,  I don't think Violet's character arc touches on Rand-ish stuff at all.
#69 by Hugin
2004-11-07 05:14:47
lmccain@nber.org
Don't worry Zimbardo, LWF, I still love Resident Evil 2.
#70 by McBain
2004-11-07 05:36:14
I thought it was funny how for some reason the superheroes in The Incredibles didn't have professional indemnity like the police do.  ;-)

www.dailyhowler.com is the single most important website that Americans should read every day.
"The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had."
#71 by McBain
2004-11-07 05:42:45
To add to what Hugin is saying, which I agree with:  (Incredibles Spoilage)

Though the film does have the minor joke about the son using his powers for personal glory to win sporting events, the heroes in The Incredibles are not looking to use their powers for personal gain but for the greater good of humanity.  They aren't looking to make money or be famous (though that may be a convenient side benifit).  They are ultimately looking to improve the world through altruistic acts, which kind of breaks down the Rand parallels.  In fact, the movie condemns the father's desire to acquire wealth through the mid-life crisis themes, where he agrees to take the high paying hero job, buys the fancy sports car, meta-cheats on his wife (Remember the lava aesthetic during the dinner with the blonde semi-evil woman).

www.dailyhowler.com is the single most important website that Americans should read every day.
"The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had."
#72 by Sgt Hulka
2004-11-07 06:45:21
Do you know what the queers are doing to our soil?

Children are the future. Thatís why they must be stopped today.
#73 by Marsh Davies
2004-11-07 11:04:20
www.verbalchilli.com
Fertilising it. I've got five of them buried out back.

#74 by Marsh Davies
2004-11-07 11:16:37
www.verbalchilli.com
I think it's unfair to condemn Hero for being fascist: it stressed that sacrifice of the individual is often necessary for the betterment of the masses. Sounds more like communism to me...

Any way, it concerns me much more when I see those kind of tropes in contemporary, popular stories - especially those designed for kids - than it does in a mythic-epic film harking back to pre-dynastic China.

#75 by lwf
2004-11-07 11:39:06
Either way, fucking bullshit.

It's a great place to meet girls!
#76 by gaggle
2004-11-07 13:50:21
I've played WoW all of two times now. After the first session (five or so hours) I didn't like it much. I had been running around alone (my friend were all several levels higher than me), and it was dull and repetitive and the whole Orc vibe didn't really appeal to me.


Yesterday I tried again. Played for a whooping.. what.. twenty hours I think, having convinced all my friends to start over as alliance people. And it was much better. I think the whole atmosphere is just much more pleasing.. though maybe that's just 'cuz I get play a sexah female warrior. Anyway, as it turns out I'm a sucker for the party thing, I need to run around with a friend to keep the "wtf am I doing with my time?!" feeling at bay.

I got to a Night Elf city, on the far side of.. Kalimdor?.. the big Orc-infested island in any event. I was very impressed by the totally different style we suddenly wandered into. Monsters, NPCs, people, everything was just different.



And I still can't see this game being played by a newbie. At all. Unless Blizzard plans to add a lot of helptext and guideance when it goes retail it's far far too scary a world for anyone just getting acquainted with their first MMOG (imo). There are short and sparse help-bubbles spread throughout the game, and I do not think they do not do their job properly. I suggest an offline or isolated area to start in, with a solid way to introduce the concepts of talking to other players, the party system, skills, your part in the world, and what your immidiate and further-off goals should be.

What they do now is just dump you in the middle of a fucking circus, letting you sort things out as you start clicking things.

To be, turn to page 73 - from choose your own adventure Hamlet
#77 by The_Joker
2004-11-07 13:51:40
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There's nothing wrong with talking about jerking off. Especially not when it's to this video.

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#78 by phyrephox
2004-11-07 16:01:23
dkasman@gmail.com http://www.d-kaz.com
About Hero, you need to take it within the tyrannical historical context of the King of Qin.  His rule plus the actions seen in the film offer a generalized, romantacized fascist state.
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