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March 25th 2003, 17:57 CET by Morn

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#401 by Darkseid-D
2003-04-18 20:30:56
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Um No.

When the SAS shot the team in Gibraltar Sinn Fein were very vocal about it, called it an assasination. I believe in the mid 90's the families of those killed went to the European court to have the SAS and British govt put on trial for murder of non combatants (and sue for compensation), I believe they failed, but it just goes to show you the other sides of the coin.

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#402 by mrbloo
2003-04-18 21:02:49
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The uproar was over the shoot-to-kill policy though, not the fact that the SAS weren't wearing uniforms.  That didn't even register at the time.
#403 by Darkseid-D
2003-04-18 21:08:42
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Then there was that ever so fun incident at the barracks, they put a 'hit' squad armed with heavy (as in .50 cal) machine guns mounted in the back of what would be called a dumper truck (flatbed truck used for hauling rocks/stones/tarmacadum etc around) and drove it through the checkpoint into the middle of a police/army barracks and opened fire.

Problem was, they'd been forewarned, so as soon as they crashed the barracks, up pops a squad of her majestys finest SAS and promptly shoot them dead without so much as a by your leave.

Sinn Fein called it a murderous attack, butchery of the highest order, conviniently forgetting of course that their 'brave lads' were already busily firing away into the barracks trying to kill as many people as possible.  I should also mention that it was a small backwater type town of only a few thousand people and they would, if not for the forewarning probably have slaughtered everyone in the base perhaps 10-20 army/police.

Their families sued for 'unjustified killing'

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#404 by mrbloo
2003-04-18 21:35:16
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Don't forget that the SAS squad also shot dead one (and injured another I think, I can't remember the name of the town so I can't google it) guy who accidentally drove their car into the area.

That was a fairly stupid frontal attack though, and the IRA never tried to repeat it.  It was a JCB with beer kegs filled with explosive in the digger, btw, not a dump truck.
#405 by Darkseid-D
2003-04-18 22:04:25
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I remember that event with the jcb too, the dump truck was another attack altogether, Killyleagh I think it was.

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#406 by mrbloo
2003-04-18 22:15:16
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Ah gotcha.  It sounded exactly like Loughall (I remembered!).  I did a bit of googling just now and was weirded out by the fact that the families of the IRA men killed at Loughall got 10,000 quid each in compensation from the government as part of a European Court of Human Rights ruling.
#407 by Dethstryk
2003-04-19 00:28:20
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You used to live over there, Ds? I find that interesting, because living in Fuckass, Arkansas, USA all of your life really makes everyone living in a CITY or another country more interesting. :(

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#408 by Darkseid-D
2003-04-19 01:38:47
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I lived in Bangor, County Down, just a few miles down the road from Killyleagh via Ards and Comber and a few other no name towns along the way.

Phoenix, or rather Chandler where Im living now is grand, really getting used to the 'differences'

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#409 by yotsuya
2003-04-19 01:44:21
Phoenix, or rather Chandler where Im living now is grand, really getting used to the 'differences'


No IRA terrorists, for one? The only terrorists in Chandler seem to be Border Patrol agents.

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#410 by Darkseid-D
2003-04-19 19:14:13
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all depends on how you define terrorists doesnt it ;)

and I think I staff the people down at the DMV in that category, good lord.

youre not teaching at Eyrie or Conley are you yotsuya?

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#411 by yotsuya
2003-04-20 09:03:30
Nope, out at a high school in Tempe

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#412 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-20 10:01:03
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The United States is planning a long-term military relationship with the emerging government of Iraq, one that would grant the Pentagon access to military bases and project American influence into the heart of the unsettled region, senior Bush administration officials say.

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#413 by Ergo
2003-04-20 10:50:53
Oh, for fuck's sake, Eric, tell us something we didn't already guess.

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#414 by Your Friend
2003-04-20 13:07:17
Guess? You didn't even have to guess, considering various US companies were given Iraq-related contracts months before the war even started.   The US is gonna be there for the long haul.

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#415 by Ashiran
2003-04-20 16:33:31
If the Sjiites don't kick them out. Praying and capitalism doesn't mix well.

#416 by Whisp
2003-04-20 17:39:31
It works fine, look at the US.

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#417 by Dethstryk
2003-04-20 18:00:48
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More like religion + capitalism works great for any Western religion. Hell, any religion, now that I think about it.

"And I'm saying without a relationship with God and those strong convictions HE put in me I wouldn't be a 42 year old who hasn't had sex with anyone today."
#418 by Darkseid-D
2003-04-20 23:23:31
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you're implying capitalism ISNT a religion of course.

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#419 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-20 23:46:22
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And of course, the first new government official is the Oil Minisiter. Luckily, the Oil Ministry was spared from the looting by the US Marines guarding it.

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#420 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-21 01:46:57
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Has anyone read Tom Clancy's Executive Order? I find it ironic that real life is a bit too close to the fiction in that book.

In the novel, Saddam Hussein is assassinated and his regime is overthrown. The power vacuum is filled by Shiite clerics, controlled by Iran. Soon afterwards, a new strain of ebola, discovered in Africa, produced by the new Iran-Iraq regime, is used as a biological weapon against the US, spread by aerosol in conventions across the States.

In real life, Saddam Hussein's fate is presently unknown and his regime is overthrown. Shiite clerics are quickly filling the power vacuum. SARS, discovered in the Chinese province ofGaungdong and Hong Kong, is quickly spreading throughout the world by travellers and infected hospital patients.

Then again, the president in Executive Order is Jack Ryan, an ex-Marine, CIA agent and a dead look-alike to Harrison Ford.

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#421 by VeeSPIKE
2003-04-21 02:01:52
That's funny, I thought he looked like Ben Affleck.

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#422 by Your Friend
2003-04-21 02:21:26
You forgot to mention how Jack Ryan became President (though that is in Debt of Honor, not Executive Order)...  someone crashes a commercial airliner into the Capitol building (killing everyone else in the line of succession).  

Seemed to me like a bit of a deus ex machina plot device at the time... Pre-9/11 of course.

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#423 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-21 02:28:31
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That's funny, I thought he looked like Ben Affleck.


Bah. That movie fucked with the timeline of the Ryan books. Jack Ryan didn't join the CIA until Patriot Games.

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#424 by Dumdeedum
2003-04-21 03:00:13
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Tom Clancy is clearly a terrorist which means we're really left with no choice but to mobilise the Covert Delta Strike Black Ops Force and bring Operation Kill That Guy into play.  This mission is classified Executive Ultra Code Omega 9 so don't tell more than one journalist about it, well family members and your mistress too.

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#425 by Dethstryk
2003-04-21 03:07:22
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#420 Eric T. Cheng
SARS, discovered in the Chinese province ofGaungdong and Hong Kong, is quickly spreading throughout the world by travellers and infected hospital patients.
Ever thought about working for the media? I'm more afraid of a gorilla fucking me in the ass with the banana-equivalent of a French tickler than I am SARS.

"And I'm saying without a relationship with God and those strong convictions HE put in me I wouldn't be a 42 year old who hasn't had sex with anyone today."
#426 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-21 03:20:34
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Ever thought about working for the media? I'm more afraid of a gorilla fucking me in the ass with the banana-equivalent of a French tickler than I am SARS.


You are? Freak.

I'm not afraid of SARS but rather more of the racial backlash against ethnic Chinese who are seen to be carriers of the disease.

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#427 by Dethstryk
2003-04-21 03:27:05
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#426 Eric T. Cheng
I'm not afraid of SARS but rather more of the racial backlash against ethnic Chinese who are seen to be carriers of the disease.

I think that point is certainly valid. It makes me wonder if the whole 'OMG communist China' thing is why it's getting the attention it is.

"And I'm saying without a relationship with God and those strong convictions HE put in me I wouldn't be a 42 year old who hasn't had sex with anyone today."
#428 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-21 03:33:27
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Ever thought about working for the media?


What the fuck is that suppose to imply? I'm not crying out the end of the world for fuck's sake.

SARS is getting a lot of media coverage, especially up in the Toronto area. It's not epidemic level yet but it's still a worry since the Ontario
government has quarentine people who has come down with symptoms.

The disease originated in Guangdong province (formerly known as Canton) and spread to neighbouring Hong Kong, which a lot of ethnic Chinese in North America, Vietnam and Singaport have friends, family and businesses there.  I'm surprised Vancouver hasn't had as many cases as SARS as Toronto since there are as many, if not more, Cantonese Chinese here.

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#429 by Duality
2003-04-21 03:34:54
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Its entirely possible of being a backlash against asians in general.  

My brother and sis-in-law are going to Tokyo next month, and each person they tell makes a SARS joke.

Our initial assessment is that they will all die.
#430 by jjohnsen
2003-04-21 03:36:43
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I thought Guandong was just Canton in a different dialect (Mandarin to Cantonese or whatever) is that wrong?

A guy in Utah died of SARS last week which was really weird, I kind of expected it to start on the coasts and move in.

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#431 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-21 03:39:47
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I think that point is certainly valid. It makes me wonder if the whole 'OMG communist China' thing is why it's getting the attention it is.


I've yet to hear that? The only blame China's getting is not revealing to WHO about SARS earlier and the true number of SARS cases (China has known about the SARS outbreak since November).

The reason it's getting a lot of attention is because it's a new strain of the common cold virus, the quickness it has been spreading and it's deadlier (it has killed not only weak and elderly people but young and healthy ones as well).

Epidemics aren't that uncommon. Shortly after the end of World War I and influenza epidemic spread across Europe, killing more 25 million people in one year.

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#432 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-21 03:41:16
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I thought Guandong was just Canton in a different dialect (Mandarin to Cantonese or whatever) is that wrong?


Guangdong is the Cantonese pronounciation. Canton was the Anglocized name for it, similiar to Beijing was once Peiking.

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#433 by Dethstryk
2003-04-21 04:01:21
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Okay, Eric just confused the shit out of me. Reading down the messages, it just seemed like two different people were at the keyboard or something.

"And I'm saying without a relationship with God and those strong convictions HE put in me I wouldn't be a 42 year old who hasn't had sex with anyone today."
#434 by jjohnsen
2003-04-21 05:52:29
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So do you know how to say Guangdong in Mandarin?  Just curious, I learned some Cantonese while living in Australia, and I always wished I would have gotten into it more.

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#435 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-21 05:55:00
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Dethstryk:

Okay, Eric just confused the shit out of me. Reading down the messages, it just seemed like two different people were at the keyboard or something.


What's so confusing?

jjohnsen:

So do you know how to say Guangdong in Mandarin?


I don't know since I can't speak/understand Mandarin.

If you want to learn Chinese I would suggest learning Mandarin since more Chinese know it and apparently it's easier to learn (since you're allowed to use phonetics)

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#436 by Squeaky
2003-04-21 06:06:49
I don't know since I can't speak/understand Mandarin.

If you want to learn Chinese I would suggest learning Mandarin since more Chinese know it and apparently it's easier to learn (since you're allowed to use phonetics)

Just don't take a simplified mandarin course. My Asian friends tell me Simplified is next to useless even though it's all the highschools/colleges teach.

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#437 by KookieMonsta
2003-04-21 12:23:08
Correct me if I'm wrong.  

GuangDong is the Mandarin pronounciation.  (Guang3Dong1 in Hanyu Pinyin)
GongDong is the Cantonese pronouciation.
#438 by Warren Marshall
2003-04-21 17:02:24
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#439 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-21 21:25:00
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GuangDong is the Mandarin pronounciation.  (Guang3Dong1 in Hanyu Pinyin)
GongDong is the Cantonese pronouciation.


You're right.

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#440 by G-Man
2004-09-23 08:23:56
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